"a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh" (sic)
Is there an element of jealousy in OP's post?
(Re. the girls, not the speed).
I know what I'd rather be doing.
Joe Grundy
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Help messy problem
by poopie inthe problem is i have a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh who for the last 4 years has had sex with at least 10 prostitutes and regularly takes drugs ie speed the cong has no idea he's doing this he says he will never go to elders for fear his family will shun him if df so he continues i know because he tells me everything should i tell the elders or not.
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Help messy problem
by poopie inthe problem is i have a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh who for the last 4 years has had sex with at least 10 prostitutes and regularly takes drugs ie speed the cong has no idea he's doing this he says he will never go to elders for fear his family will shun him if df so he continues i know because he tells me everything should i tell the elders or not.
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Joe Grundy
33 minutes ago
Diogenesister:
Ha ha Joe...you sure you were never a dub??!!
Poopie...sure he's a hypocrite and all...but the old bills right..his real problem is speed. Talk to him privately and insist he speaks to his local addictions directorate, to be honest the girls are probably connected to the whole " self harm" thing he's got going on. He really needs PROFFESSIONAL HELP BIG TIME. BE A REAL MATE AND HELP HIM GET IT.
And forget the elders
Yes, ma'am, I'm sure I never was a dub. Other things, and definitely was Old Bill. I may have a more liberal view towards working girls than many. I have lived in various places and known quite a few, not always professionally. (Both theirs and mine). I hate to see them disrespected = some conversations, pre-coital, post-coital and some with no coitus at all, have broken my heart (easily done).
Billy Whizz is no true friend to anybody. Trust me on this (though not from direct personal experience, just from dealing with many who took it too far).
If the OP is genuine, he'd do well to advise his 'friend' to save his money for working girls. A better high and you've got company..
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Help messy problem
by poopie inthe problem is i have a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh who for the last 4 years has had sex with at least 10 prostitutes and regularly takes drugs ie speed the cong has no idea he's doing this he says he will never go to elders for fear his family will shun him if df so he continues i know because he tells me everything should i tell the elders or not.
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Joe Grundy
PS: If it makes you feel better, think of the working girls as part-time 'concubines' and your associate as a would-be part-time 'Solomon'.
There, problem fixed.
His biggest problem is that he's a baptised dub. THAT'S what he should be working on.
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Help messy problem
by poopie inthe problem is i have a baptized witness going out on service door to door giveing comments at kh who for the last 4 years has had sex with at least 10 prostitutes and regularly takes drugs ie speed the cong has no idea he's doing this he says he will never go to elders for fear his family will shun him if df so he continues i know because he tells me everything should i tell the elders or not.
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Joe Grundy
10 prostitutes - 'working girls' sounds better - in four years is fairly infrequent if it's on the basis of once each. Even if it's five times each, that's only about one jump a week. Quite normal, I would have thought and no problem if he can afford it. Probably better for him than going to KH once a week and may work out cheaper.
Drugs are a bigger problem and could cause harm - and be more expensive. That would cause me concern.
But not the business of anyone else, esp. JWs. What are they going to do, counsel him from their experience? Or find some Bronze Age writings which may apply?
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How Corrupt Is WT?
by thedepressedsoul inhow corrupt do you think they are?
if so, in what ways?
i've been compiling my own list and thoughts.
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Joe Grundy
(I never was a JW).
In my professional life I dealt with corruption in the legal sense.
I know that I keep banging on about this (I don't apologise) but I think the ARC proceedings are the best exemplar of corruption in the WT.
Bad as they were, the JW heirarchy are (AFAIK) largely uneducated and unqualified, including Jackson of the GB.
For me, the 'outstanding' (as in outstandingly bad) performance was from Toole, the branch lawyer. He was a qualified lawyer, admitted to practise in Oz. Therefore, he must have some education and professional qualifications. I don't know the outcome of the ARC's referral of him to the regulatory authorities.
His performance was so shockingly bad that either he was completely inept (hard to accept since he was qualified) or he was completely corrupt in the evidence he gave.
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Giant Leak of Offshore Financial Records Exposes Global Array of Crime and Corruption
by JHK inmillions of documents show heads of state, criminals and celebrities using secret hideaways in tax havens... [...].
what about watchtower society's holy money?.
https://panamapapers.icij.org/20160403-panama-papers-global-overview.html?goal=0_ffd1d0160d-4ddea55429-100339089&mc_cid=4ddea55429&mc_eid=bfe834e473.
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Joe Grundy
I spent most of my specialist professional working life looking at this sort of stuff.
I keep an eye on it, and will report stuff as apropriate as I can.
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Child Abuse In This Weeks Meeting Part
by thedepressedsoul ini was sitting at the meeting this week and the "apply yourself to the field ministry" part started.
it was the first part under, "the initial call".
they read from the "good news" brochure and ask a question on it.
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Joe Grundy
(I never was a JW).
Perhaps one way you could approach this is as follows.
‘I was concerned at the meeting when child abuse was talked about. This is something which really concerns me because I have childre/grandchildren/friends with children/there are children in our congregation ... and I just can’t bear the thought of this happening to them.
I noted that in the meeting it talked about news reports, and on my tablet/pc/laptop/phone I’d seen something about this. I saw that the catholic Cardinal Pell had to give evidence to a government commission in Australia about the catholic church abuse. It was dreadful, but I was not surprised.
While I was watching that I saw that our brothers and branch COs in Australia had explained to the commission how this should be dealt with. And wow! Bro Jackson from the GB travelled to Australia to tell this commission how Jehovah’s Organisation deals with this. I am looking forward to watching Bro Jackson, and I’m sure he will bear a fine witness from which we can all learn.
Jehovah is surely blessing us by letting us see our shepherds take on this world and its problems. How blessed we are that they keep us free from this.
I’ll speak to you soon when I’ve watched Bro Jackson.’
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Child Abuse In This Weeks Meeting Part
by thedepressedsoul ini was sitting at the meeting this week and the "apply yourself to the field ministry" part started.
it was the first part under, "the initial call".
they read from the "good news" brochure and ask a question on it.
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Joe Grundy
I never was a JW.
I think that the ARC could be the biggest single opportunity to cause JWs to ask questions.
Noting rebelfighter's post above, I would still be tempted to say something like 'We can see how our brothers deal with this' then show the clip that this is not 'apostate driven lies' . Then maybe Toole and Jackson.
It's a bit difficult because any edited compilation could be attacked as selective editing. Some. of course, will never accept that the ARC was real etc. etc. But it can't be apostate to see how the JW leaders take on Satan's world, can it? And to see just how impressive they are?
If a dub can watch these proceedings and not ask questions, then I suggest that they are (almost) beyond hope.
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Jehovah’s Witnesses are Taught to Lie but to then Lie about Lying
by Terry injehovah’s witnesses are taught to lie but to then lie about lying.
first off, let’s define what it means to tell a lie.
i prefer the definition offered by aristotle way back in 4th century b.c.e.
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Joe Grundy
(I never was a JW).
This is not to diminish WT lies, rather to show that they're not alone.
William Lane Craig is a famous evangelical apologist/snake oil salesman. I came across this clip today - it's worth watching:
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Lourdes, Bigorre, Pyrenees, France.
by Joe Grundy in(i never was a jw).. this topic occurred to me randomly.
i don't know whether any/many posters heer have visited.
the region is beautiful but marred, imho, by the scar that is lourdes.
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Joe Grundy
(I never was a JW).
This topic occurred to me randomly. I don't know whether any/many posters heer have visited. The region is beautiful but marred, IMHO, by the scar that is Lourdes. And that's because, and only because, of religion.
About 15 years ago I visited the area with ex-wife #1 and our French friends. They were practising and believing RCs and this was a 'must see' place to visit. We went along out of interest. I have never seen anything like it.
More than 7,000,000 people visit Lourdes annually. It was a small village until 1858 when a local 14 year old poor peasant girl had the first of 18 visions of the virgin Mary. People started to come hhoping for miraculous cures. Today, it has more hotels than any city in France outside Paris.
I found it an incredibly depressing place. The town streets are full of 'tat' shops selling stuff like hollow plastic 'Mary' bottles you can fill with 'holy water', battery-operated 'flashing light' plaques of Mary, and so on. The square was filled with wheelchairs and trolley stretcher beds containg the hopeful, some of whom had travelled thousands of miles hoping for a miracle. Some pilgrims crawled on hands and knees round the 'stations of the cross' route.
It was deluded religious belief on steroids. Xw#1 and I were by this time atheists and found it hard to comprehend. I confess that the sacred grotto was empty and deserted and we found the time and place for a quick copulate. I put that down to the sun and the wine.
Our French friends (esp. the wife) were completely convinced by the place - she felt that some of her undefined symptoms were relieved by her pilgrimage, and it would have been unkind to challenge this.
I understand that there is a large standing medical and scientific committee at Lourdes which investigates 'miracle' claims. So far, I think, they've pronounced about 60 cases as 'miracles'.
This place has to be seen to be believed (or not).
As I understand it, some/many/most JWs believe in divine intervention and/or miracles - anything from finding their car keys to a cure from cancer. I wonder how some of them would react if you transported them from Smallville USA and plonked them down in Lourdes, where they could share their experiences with 7,000,000 other hopefuls?
Just a random thought, as I said.